Some titles, like Kiss, Eat, and Blow-Job (all 1963) were experiments in static filmmaking, each depicting exactly what their title describes (with the exception of Blow-Job, which is actually the recipient's facial reactions to said act). . The challenge was phrased in that aggressive way to force some answers.\rIt was also phrased, I'd hoped, in such a way that you'd be free to say I'm just too greedy in the way I vacuum up the words, like a prisoner, or a camel.\rBut of course there are no answers, and if there were it would be a sure sign we were through with that and ready to move on.\rLike the end of the Women's Work thread, where I've just come from. But in all of these cases the public’s acceptance was based on the poet’s own construction of a public persona rather than on the poems themselves, which led to a misreading of an underlying nihilism and to an inability to attend to the high alter of poetic craft (which is what really drove these masters). Thanks, Matt. he knew tsvetaeva, one of his favorite akmeist writers (which isn't exactly true) and spends a lot of free time versifying with his other artist friends.\ri've always felt that the need to do both is not a matter of their similarity, but a compensation--that what we cannot do in a painting we are compelled to do in a poem, or vice versa. "\rI describe the flatness of abstract art--the inaccessible, WHICH ONE CANNOT GO INTO. while drunk, and rocking to and fro in a packet boat.\rOh, see here, you're not making 'intellectual discourse;' is that what you think you're doing? \rAshbery's dreamy, flowing, indefiniteness is evasive in the extreme. the first person to show a real interest in my translations was the man my brother works for in the navy yards. The process happens differently in different poet’s minds. Poets are attracted to the symbolic and pictographic traces of their own language in painting. Well, not everyone else. That doesn’t devalue the art; it’s a social comment. Western Europe is cushy by comparison. Ezra Pound is widely considered one of the most influential poets of the 20th century; his contributions to modernist poetry were enormous. Soon the conversation moved to a grander studio. Even when artists paint in abstract terms, they're still transmitting their thoughts and emotions, providing the viewer a window into their subconscious. \rThe Ashberian strategy then, seeing the difficulty, nay, the impossibility, of 'really making a poem' from 'as one put drunk into a packet boat,' leaves the phrase alone; leaves it as it is; does not touch it; puts nothing else with it; it remains inviolable! I now see you meant it to describe the mug's game of debating certain of our confreres. And maybe not everyone wants to tell stories on a professional or even professionally amateur level, but it is true that we're all storytellers at heart. Now who's being mean? Having done so you wait. \rA Daylight Art\r \rOn the day he was to take the poison\rSocrates told his friends he had been writing:\rputting Aesop’s fables into verse.\rAnd this was not because Socrates loved wisdom\rand advocated the examined life.\rThe reason was that he had had a dream.\rCaesar, now, or Herod or Constantine\ror any number of Shakespearean kings\rbursting at the end like dams\rwhere original panoramas lie submerged\rwhich have to rise again before the death scenes - \ryou can believe in their believing dreams.\rBut hardly Socrates. Poetry and painting became, in the public eye, eccentric and difficult. First though, thanks for the up to date look into the difficulties of painting in NYC & Brooklyn (someone who actually met Tsvetaeva…that’s very cool)…and your brother must be a hero for putting up with New York. While I find the sweep of the essay a bit over-arching, I also find a certain pepper in the thinking. I got somethin' to say ta yooouuuu..."\r"Oh, no, have you been reading Ashbery again? He is regarded as a great poet … He wanted me to tell him what he was doing. Or, one would find it necessary to keep coming up with glorious phrases as good as 'as one put drunk into a packet boat' and, while doing so, one would find it necessary to show that one really had an idea attached to 'as one put drunk into a packet boat,' one had a story to tell with it, and one had not simply uttered it, as if one were drunk oneself and had been merely reading the dictionary, or, one had been playing a 'come up with the most evocative, erudite phrase' parlour game, and so one would have to 'go on' as if one were actually aware of what one was doing. Painters and poets have been wed from the beginning. \rWhenever I have doubts that anyone can write poetry today I think of Seamus Heaney, and all is well.\rI'd love to know the genesis of this poem. Make WHAT new? I have loved poetry, but my belief is that poetry looks up to the condition of music and to the sheer visceral impact of painting, whose special formal dynamic is released from time. It's got soul.\rTerreson, Martin Earl, there is one, late paleontologist whose findings, mostly accepted by scientists and scholars, could evidence the association between painting and poetry you look to make. '\rYes, John, we have. Period.\rYour friend, and you know that, \rChristopher, Christopher,\rAbout the “words”. If the details above aren't convincing enough, then let me tell you, yes, he's actually quite good. I personally think he was just very lucky, and of course a genius of the first order.\rThey both were, and we don't need any big literary theory or analysis to account for that either.\rChristopher, And here...check this out. sky at the same time. Come over here, woman!! is not as innocent as it seems. Here is my response to John Gallagher's blog which you linked, in which John rants against 'accessible' poetry, putting himself in that modernist 'difficult' camp which I am so much against. The music is often blaring and if not that the shuffling of the painter’s feet creates a kind grating effect, as though someone in an empty apartment on the floor above were rearranging the furniture. Poet Anne Sexton (1928–1974) and artist Vincent van Gogh (1853–1890) both battled private demons. (I'm not saying you do this, Thomas.) What's wrong with proscription?\r2. I love their surfaces too. . I want to give John Ashbery a hug.\rThe problem is that he has never written a poem which is memorable. "\rwhich I think hit's the mark. Like Rembrandt before him, with his almost psychoanalytic insistence on the self-portrait, Beethoven was already in departure mode. It's worth it. \rThe distinguished phrase, 'As One Put Drunk into a Packet Boat' needs no further elucidating. Cats, unlike dogs, have no problem knowing who they are! The result is like certain monochrome de Kooning paintings in which isolated strokes of color take on a deliciousness they never could have had out of context, or a piece of music by Webern in which a single note on the celesta suddenly irrigates a whole desert of dry, scratchy sounds in the strings... Like people, Miss Stein's lines are comforting or annoying or brilliant or tedious. The bound feet image has had no response from you, Michael. Anyway, here's my spew, which I just posted anonymously on his blog:\rOf course poems should be accessible. You’re right, the slowness is crucial. Do not know who he is, but in his double comment to Gary, Thomas Brady has clearly presented views which resonate favorably with those of us who do not particularly care to learn this and/or that theory in order to unlock (get into) a particular work (poem, painting, song, etc.). You could see, beneath the clutter of canvases and pallets and tables with their jumble of tubes and pots that someone had tried to make a home there. Earl has blogged on Harriet, and his translation of Antonio Medeiros’s... Oh what a wonderful piece of writing!\rThe monsoon rains have swept in and after months of dry heat it's dark with wet this morning. The Iranians surely have enough of that. \rWhy paint or why word? New LitReactor Shirts & Stickers Now Available! Yoko maybe being the probable one to merge art and literature most seamlessly. and even after the accident and paralysis, she still has exquisite penmanship. I haven't picked this one up myself, but there's a webpage dedicated to nothing but quotes from the book. As for Dalí's novel, Hidden Faces, it has a strong cult following, but I suspect this is because it was written by Salvador Dalí. In 1955, Dalí also wrote and designed an animated short for Walt Disney, titled Destino, which didn't see the light of day until 2003. The thing is not to be jane of all trades, mistress of none, but to earn the capital letter "A" in a word, artist, at the end of a life devoted to the arts--hopefully, able to hone if not perfect one along that road. \rI think the Supreme Leader is Ashbery-ism: inaccessible and you can't question it. On the other hand, if you want someone with her finger on the button and who knows just about everything there is to know about the way the poetry world works, and the way poems come out of that world, read Eileen’s posts. If Picasso is the Prince of Cubism, then surely Dalí is the King of Surrealism. What you say about John Ashbery reminds me of bound feet, Michael Robbins.\r \rHow beautiful the gait in the cool imperial household, how delicately refined, porcelain movements behind the screen, willow shelter, ancient blue, the perfect nuanced white caught forever on a limpid plate.\rWorth studying in the study, worth having all that free time and deep thoughts to settle into late at night. It was easer to get space when I was there in the early eighties, albeit, in dangerous neighborhoods. \rThe inaccessible is always flat and shallow, like an Ashbery poem– which typically lacks a unity of effect; this lack is a sprawl, a flatness; it has no depth. Blending the fantastic with the mundane in a kind of punchline: I mean, come on, that’s funny. Poetry, I mean. (Also: for better sharing on social media!) Christopher lives in Oklahoma City with his fiancée Lauren and their two mostly well-behaved cats. Wherever we were trained -- we are trained by our life. Between 1963 and roughly 1973, Warhol and his "Factory" of superstars produced hundreds of films, many shot by the white-wigged man himself. I was reminded that no poet could be as blithe as Ashbery seems to be, and suddenly all his evasive poetry seemed to be pouring in from a different direction, the fractured nature of his prose-poems arising not from elan, but from silence and heartbreak. Every plane is a plane and there is to be no representation.” In the context of the Russian revolution this could be seen more as a political and ideological expression than and aesthetic one, a rhetorical rather than a painterly gesture, utopian in its intent to mark the death of the bourgeois past and the beginning of a new Soviet Russia. I told him many young people do that, and that I myself had been through exactly the same problem at the beginning---that I had in fact abandoned writing poetry altogether at the age of 20 for 30 years, no less, because I was so bedeviled by the dirty tricks and deliberately misleading sleights the poet in me unpacked in everything I wrote at the time. The moon was near full. The breath. Martin Earl, your essay brings two items to mind, one amounting to a question and the other amounting to an anecdote.\rAbout Pontus the Swede's small, postcard size paintings. deposits always go to fix the floors. "\rAshbery is obviously depressed. \rHe's miserable. Where and when I can. I feel differently; little Switz. a pinky in erection not a grape & not a fig.. [sic] What today they might call a microloft, was, in 1981, when I first met Pontus, a dark and desperate attempt to draw domesticity out of some industrial past. "\rI don't remember what I came back with at the time, but for me there's no separation, or at least they illuminate each other. And if there are any other visual artists who took to the pen not mentioned here, shout out in the comments section. Michael Robbins \r"This is a blog not a lecture hall"\ranti-intellectual isn't it, the behaviour of a runner away from the mountain, surely poetic learning is not something that can only happen if you hand over thousands of bucks and have some pedogog try and get you worshipping at the altar of their genius in person.\rI must be doing summat right if you react this way over a simple speculative discourse being ventriliquized in a safe, controlled environment of the New Free University where a fully ticketed ollamh sniffer sits and sings to sue the suit of one's whole art and soul via the medium of write-through of one of Ashers finest - yer young fogey. Maybe his studio space was as furious and chaotic as you describe. Well, I'm no poetry expert, so let's review a sample from Picasso's The Dream and Lie of Franco: silver bells & cockle shells & guts braided in a row Oslo, France, that is.\rThis honey is delicious, though it burns the throat.\rWe were on the terrace drinking gin and tonics when the squall hit.\rIt might give us--what--some flowers soon?\rThe lake a lilac cube.\rThe academy of the future is opening its doors.\rThe poem is you.\r. Highfalutin-ness notwithstanding, I think humor comes into play with this book as well. The error here is the assumption that when we say 'it' should be accessible, or inaccessible, that we know what 'it' is. But toward the end of the poem we move into the night, which fails to distinguish the immortal from the mortal, the constrained from the free: night is a place for the mortal, the small, the personal, not the "great formal affair" that "takes in the whole world" which preoccupies daytime thoughts. J.A. An idea that recurs to me is that the kinship between poetry & painting is rooted not so much in images per se, but in the image-making process. Which I loved. Speaking of contemporary artists turned authors, did you hear about Yayoi Kusama literary career? Indeed, haven't we lost touch with the majority of cultures in the world in which it's even more important to be who, or even what, you were when you were born?\rI find Americans in particular have a really hard time getting their minds around the Buddha's anatta (no-self) teaching, whereas your average London, Brugge or Lyons bourgeois understands it only too well. Take a look at these notes on how to use writing prompts.Otherwise, jump right in! Andalou in particular manages to engage and fascinate despite its lack of plot and rampant non-sequiturs (a scene featuring two men hauling, by rope, dead animal carcasses and a piano, for instance), but that's the point. This is particularly true of Diving Bell, which is nothing but the world according to Bauby; the scene in which the character's right eye is sewn shut, depicted in POV, literally puts you right in the center of Bauby's horror (and serves as a visual homage to Dalí and Buñuel). But a deep & genuine reading of Ashbery reveals how truly he is what Grossman calls him: "He is fundamentally a manager of traditional resources. And other poems. Also what a tragedy for the men who came to idealize crippled girls!\rGirls aren't poetry, by the way, Michael. In 1964, Ono published an odd little book called Grapefruit, a collection of ‘instructional poetry’ that the reader can either try at home or simply enjoy as reading material. Michelangelo, Blake and up to our own times. The last line, “after dinner”, is crucial, since it clinches that dynamic between the brute need to stay alive and the internal life, the imagination, of our very clever forbears.\rMartin, I never said it was a bad poem, Gary--and you know me well, and you know I'm a friend to Gary B. Fitzgerald. Down with mere image, down with mere color! \rNot the innaccessible, not the flat! When the wheel becomes a rushing blur of speed it suddenly disintegrates entirely and becomes the most astonishing display of cosmic light, distance, staggering speed and wonder. Diary of a Genius, etc. Yes, and that is exactly what often happens. &, uh, you do realize that it's self-evident that daytime & nighttime must contain differing phenomenologies? Basic colors. Makes me feel right at home in a world I'd love to be---a glass of wine, imagine, and I think she's wearing tights!\rAlso, if there is a specific poem that goes with that very striking lithograph, why don't you post it? Yeah, no, this is not "speech in print." Thank you, Will. As the demographics of literacy spread, prose was ready to absorb the growth. Patronised by Ruskin, she painted, drew and wrote poetry. His only music, the scratch of the nib as it begins to fill the empty pages.\rIt sounds like you put B through an Altafish translator to get A. Van Gogh is known for being psychologically unstable, but his arts are among the most popular and most famous artists… James, your comment reminded my of my grandfather's (the railroad man's) older brother, Paul Ravlin - who was sort of a midwestern self-taught idealist-mystic, back around 1910 (when Cosmic Consciousness was in the air)... out on the farm, wrote Keatsian nature poems... studied Transcendental Meditation... collected his own private zoo/menagerie... died at 21 of tuberculosis... (my grandfather was the practical one).\rAnyway, the family still has all his journals, written in big black record books, in ink... his penmanship gradually growing more wayward, crabbed, in tandem with the foggy-mystic solitary thoughts... \r- their cousin, Grace Ravlin, one of the unsung women painters of the early 20th century... never married, lived in Paris & Chicago, mostly... ambulance volunteer in WW I (see her painting of the NYC red Cross Parade down 5th ave, 1918... it's on the web...) traveled around New Mexico, Morocco, Tunisia, & elsewhere, painting... her works are in the Louvre & Chicago Museum & other places... - one of my wishful ideas being to drop everything & write a book about Grace Ravlin... Of course you're not, Martin--that's evident in every word you write. 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